About

This site is created to link the political, the economical and the environmental situation of planet earth.

It is not about conspiracy, because we are now way beyond the “conspiracy state”.

And most conspiracy sites leave out the “earth changes” which are already dramatic and will be even more severe in the future.

This site is also not about creating fear, although one could get scared to death reading what I am about to post here.

Yet you may have to look all of your fears straight in the eye, if you read these news, but that is the only way to unmask their illusions.

These news are intended to make people think, so that they are not commercial driven, brainwashed consumers, but thinkers who make up their own mind, finding out what’s going on here and take action.

And that is the greatest threat to those in power, because they want you to be fearful beings in survival mode.

What I am also intending is to provide possible solutions to the current situation, which our civilization is facing now and in the years to come.

Always remember we all have the same brain, the only difference is how we have wired it through our thoughts and beliefs.

We can change our reality at any moment and we are all equal……..always have been.

The Infinite Unknown

68 thoughts on “About

  1. Please extract my article. It is based on personal experience. I’m a fairly well known journalist with over 30 years’ experience. I am now a victim of unjustified extrajudicial targeting, a/k/a community gang stalking. My communications are being intercepted and often do not get through. Please try to contact me.

    “GOV’T AGENCIES SUPPORT DOMESTIC TERRORISM”
    http://www.nowpublic.com/world/government-agencies-support-domestic-torture-and-gang-stalking-says-targeted-u-s-journalist

    What do you know about this, and what are you doing about it?

  2. Thanks so much for this valuable website. My husband and I spent two evenings watching your video about Bruce Lipton, M.D.’s biology of beliefs.
    We are both therapists in the mental health field. I am in private practice and specialize in couples and family communication — my husband is a psychiatrist working with prison systems to evolve their programs. We both teach couples therapy at a local medical school program. As we begin to explore your offerings we find these are engaging, caring, humane and instructive. We thank you – the organizers, thinkers and producers of this site – for offering us this well informed opportunity to study your concepts, insights and political views.

  3. I am interested in your policy for getting a book included under your recommended books. Please take a look at THE PUBLIC TRUST DOCTRINE IN MOTION, which is a newly published book reviewing the application of the Public Trust Doctrine over the last 10 years in the United States. Excellent book. Thanks

  4. All of you live in a world of I want, I feel like, and I can’t have. The truth of the matter is nothing is free and everything must be earned through hard work. Show me one person who claims otherwise and I will show you a liar. If you would just set goals for yourselves, work towards them and stop looking for handouts, this country that you love to belittle would be everything you desire it not to be…..successful. Somewhere in Kenya there is a villiage missing it’s Idiot.

  5. Great Site, great material. I like the BF quote the best.

    As long people trade security for freedom they will not get either.

    Life is all about insecurity and that is wonderfull!!!!!!

    Peace and thank you.

  6. Thank you so much for this site. It’s nice to be able to stay informed without having the theatrics and over-exaggeration some other sites I will not name go to. I have been looking a while and will certainly be a regular. Thanks again.

  7. Genetically modified food is our future. Actually, we already eat a lot of it. Is it safe?

    “- Media are invited to join Monsanto and other industry stakeholders for the official Grand Opening of the new, state-of-the-art Monsanto Canada Breeding Centre, located adjacent to Monsanto’s existing Canadian Head Office at the University of Manitoba’s Smartpark.Tues, November 23, 201010:30 am to 1:00 pm (lunch provided)”
    http://www.marketwire.com/press-release/Monsanto-Canada-Breeding-Centre-Grand-Opening-1354370.htm

    Um… I’d skip the lunch.

    GMO crops are the main contributing factor in Colony Collapse Disorder which is decimating bee populations worldwide. We’re in for a future of eating gruel if we don’t do something fast. The mainstream media, big business and governments must stop whitewashing GMO science. http://www.energygrid.com/ecology/2010/03po-colonycollapse.html

    Somebody from the media needs to crash this party and ask the tough questions!

    Need motivation? Check these out:

    American Academy of Environmental Medicine calls for immediate moratorium: http://www.aaemonline.org/gmopost.html

    The World According to Monsanto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8hFuuDAZjk

    David vs. Monsanto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E42ndfjnP1g&feature=fvst

    The Future of Food: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9Y_QH_c70s

    Food, Inc.: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5eKYyD14d_0&feature=fvw

    Vanishing of the Bees: http://www.vanishingbees.com/

    RoundUp causes cancer: http://www.organicconsumers.org/Monsanto/glyphocancer.cfm

    Join the protest outside the event.

    Please tell a friend.

  8. Great Infinite Unknown RSS Feed — I’ve Posted It on My Website, (CasesCorner.Com) Along With a Infinite Unknown Banner I Created Above The Feed … Take Care and May God Bless.

    “When taxes are too high, people go hungry.
    When the government is too intrusive, people lose their spirit …
    Act for the people’s benefit, trust them, leave them alone.”
    ~ The Tao Te Ching, by LaoTzu – 75th Verse, (2,500 years ago) ~

  9. Excellent work with this site! I don’t know how you find the time to keep so much great content coming – really great work! Keep it up!

    – Ethan

  10. Fukushima is very important thank you for the truth! It affects us all. Even in the clean up we will be sent there poison.

    I’m sorry your so successful, it truly is hard times.

    Thank you!

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  12. What’s up with your website? For the past few days, it takes forever to load while a very annoying blue overlay displays at the bottom screen for ads. It frequently hijacks your Webpages (without the user touching anything), and takes us to some really annoying websites selling stuff that have absolutely nothing to do with infiniteunknown. I’m interest in your website, not thIs other junk. Thanks. 🙂

    • @A Hansen,

      No ads over here. ‘Infinite Unknown’ looks just fine using different browers.

      You are the only one reporting this.

      Hmmh … ???

  13. All browsers on my iPad1 are experiencing the same hijacking to junk/ad sites and ‘Ads by TrafficRevenue’ showing up at the bottom of every infiniteunknown page. Anyone else getting this stuff on their iPad???

    • @ A Hansen,

      Even though I could not see anything, I alerted my ‘security’ and Infinite Unknown should be clean right now.

      Maybe an attack on the server.

      I still wonder why I couldn’t see anything being wrong.

      Thank you for reporting!!!

      Update:

      Infinite Unknown now has an additional level of security.

  14. I also experienced what @ A Hansen did. So waited a few days and now it’s OK. I live in the LA area???? Thanks for your reports….It’s so depressing, but then again we are reaping what we have sown……maybe not me personal, but I’m just one in the crowd of life going on here on Planet Earth. Greed and Power by the ones that could have done things in our best interests.
    Just like in the bible God doesn’t pull the weeds because of the flowers, but there will be a final judgment and I pray I’m one of the flowers for His bouquet.

    • @Ann,

      Infinite Unknown now has an additional level of security.

      The harder those elitists push through with their fascist New World Order, the faster the people will wake up.

      “The darker the night the brighter the stars …”

      Thank you for commenting.

  15. Thank you for the additional security on your website. I am no longer getting the ad overlay and hijacking to junk sites. Now I can enjoy your excellent website content as usual. Keep up the good work. I really appreciate it. 🙂

  16. PLEASE do the right thing and spread the truth far and wide (and please inform your family/friends etc.) it’s the morally right thing to do when the world is in such a state….. “Telling the truth during a time of universal deciet is a revolutionary act”

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  19. Patrick Clawson of the Wasington Institute has gone on record stating the need for the U.S. to commit False Flag terrorism to provoke war with Iran. I am hoping you will pick up this story I am sharing with you in hopes that we can shed some light on the situation and put pressure on the government to prosecute all people who advocate terrorism. The link is provided below to the pete santilli show braodcast that caught mr Clawson with his own words

    THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT! PLEASE FOLLOW THE LINK OR COPY AND PASTE IT INTO YOUR URL BAR TO LISTEN TO THE SHOW!!

    PETE SANTILLI EXPOSES FALSE FLAG TREASON

  20. If anyone out there wants to understand the reason why the PTB are destroying the world and enslaving mankind in the process. You should watch this documentary. You will learn the history of the organization that works behind the scenes and what their plans are for us. This truth will set you free.

    Peace and Love

    The Truth behind the Illuminati

  21. I have an account and I am working on gaining some insight but for some reason it just doesn’t motivate me like some of the other sites. I do have to spend more time.Thanks for your post

  22. TOM HENEGHAN EXPLOSIVE INTELLIGENCE BRIEFINGS
    ALL patriot American MUST know, with sources inside American/European intelligence agencies and INTERPOL reporting what is really going on behind the scenes of the corporate-controlled, fascist, extortion-friendly propaganda U.S. media’s massive deceptions
    http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/
    https://twitter.com/Tom_Heneghan

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    Sunday June 9, 2013

    THE TREASONOUS U.S. NSA NOW TOTALLY EXPOSED

    by Tom Heneghan, International Intelligence Expert

    UNITED STATES of America – It can now be reported that the treasonous U.S. NSA (National Security Agency) is recording every U.S. citizen’s phone conversation and monitoring all personal emails on a 24-hour basis.

    The Nazified U.S. NSA is being assisted by an Israeli software company Narus.

    Narus is a specialist in computer generated algorithms that are used in this illegal espionage to use phone voice inflection to create a dragnet of phone monitoring.

    Note: Narus uses these computer generated algorithms in concert with the U.S. NSA and crooked banks like the Bank of Israel to script and rig worldwide financial markets. ​ We will deal with this subject more later in the briefing.

    At this hour, two master NSA computers, one in Langley, Virginia and the other in Haifa, Israel, are in possession of ALL U.S. citizens’ personal and financial banking information.

    This total act of TREASON is unprecedented in the history of the United States.

    This is a direct message to Israeli Prime Minister and 9/11 co-conspirator Benjamin Netanyahu and the government of Israel and the TREASONOUS U.S. NSA:

    The U.S. military and the American People consider these crimes against the U.S. Constitution, a direct ACT OF WAR against the American People and our American Republic.

    We urge the U.S. military to immediately pivot, eradicate the treasonous NSA from American soil and begin to arrest Israeli Mossad stooge Senators and Bush Crime Family Nazi Paperclip members: Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, Senator John McCain, Republican of Arizona, Senator Charles Schumer, Democrat of New York, Senator Saxby Chambliss, Republican of Georgia, and finally, extortion-friendly pedophile Senator Lindsey Graham, Republic of South Carolina.

    Remember, folks, there NEVER was a war on terror, there was a War on the American People directed by the Nazi Paperclip Bush Crime Family German bloodline that began with the overthrow of the year 2000 presidential election.

    This was followed shortly by the 9/11 neo-Nazi Israeli Mossad black op attacks on the American People.

    The 9/11 black op ushered in the UN-Constitutional Patriot Act (actually written before 9/11 happened), which has been used to shred the U.S. Constitution and give the criminal privately-owned U.S. Federal Reserve emergency power over the U.S. Treasury, which then enabled the privately-owned Federal Reserve, along with crooked worldwide banks, to LOOT every last dime from the U.S. Treasury with the Nazi Paperclip financial black op completed successfully with the collapse of U.S. financial markets in September of 2008.

    We can now also divulge that the treasonous U.S. NSA, along with crooked worldwide banks, are using the aforementioned computer generated algorithms (tied to Project Echelon) to get a 4-5 second lead time on all worldwide financial transactions in stocks, commodities and foreign currencies.

    Last Friday the U.S. NSA, along with the U.S. Fed and their crooked banks, sold off the U.S. bond market in conjunction with massive illegal electronic front running of Japanese yen and precious metals futures aka writing naked call options with the assistance of a Japanese company called Japan Softbank Inc.

    Japan Softbank Inc. is tied to the U.S. banking giant JPMorgan Chase and is currently in negotiations to buy U.S. phone company Sprint.

    Question to the American People: When you wake up tomorrow morning and use your Sprint phone is the Japanese Prime Minister going to be listening to your conversations? Stay tuned.

    Note: At this hour JPMorgan Chase and Japan Softbank Inc. are totally overmargined in $18 TRILLION of naked derivatives (computer generated algorithms) tied to short positions in the U.S. bond, Japanese yen and precious metals futures.
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    In closing, stay tuned for our next intelligence briefing that will expose the pedophiles working for the U.S. NSA and the Department of Homeland Security who have been downloading Facebook files on 8 and 9 year old children and then communicating with them as to engage in internet pedophilia.

    Note: Department of Justice investigators have linked some of the emails tied to the NSA and the pedophile scandal to CNN reporter aka CIA Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate crisis actor, the extortion-friendly Anderson Cooper.
    How dare you, you conspiratorial tyrants and kings and notable queens!

    We live free or die as we identify the enemies of the American Republic and American Revolution in the 21st century and have them dealt with NOW!

    Related

    Top NSA Official: Government Tapping CONTENT, Not Just MetaData…Using Bogus “Secret Interpretation” of Patriot Act
    (if needed copy and paste url)
    http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2013/06/exclusive-top-nsa-whistleblower-spills-the-beans-on-the-real-scope-of-the-spying-program.html
    http://www.tomheneghanbriefings.com/THE-TREASONOUS-US-NSA-NOW-TOTALLY-EXPOSED_06092013.html
    . . .

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  23. you should link to ZeroHedge.com if you really want the best quality financial and economic stories all day every day. It would greatly enhance your site, that’s for sure. thx.

  24. What happened to your website? The most recent articles for Fukushima are dated 1/14/14. Yesterday there were articles shown through 1/27/14. Did you get hacked?

    • @A Hansen

      No, Infinite Unknown has been moved to a new server.

      Your comment got lost in the process.

      I’ve recovered it from my email account.

      Thank you for your concern.

      Website should be up and running soon.

      I’ve been told not to post articles within the next 24h.

      Best,
      Infinite Unknown

  25. I like this website because it tries to give space to those who are oppressed and slaughtered. It gives people a vision on our world from a perspectiv that we are not used to. Great work! Continue! May the Lord, the angels and all the saints inspire you and help you find the truth we need so much!

  26. Hi,

    You might like to write or link something about “Wetiko”. It’s a very advanced Jung-like explanation of the evil in this world, what our part is, how it functions and how we can overcome it.

    “Due to its disassociation from the whole, wetiko is a disturber of the peace of humanity and the natural world, a sickness which spawns aggression and is capable of inciting violence amongst living beings. The wetiko virus is the root cause of the inhumanity in human nature, or shall we say, our seemingly inhuman nature. This “psychic virus,” a “bug” in “the system,” in-forms and animates the madness of so-called civilization, which, in a self-perpetuating feedback loop feeds the madness within ourselves.”

    http://realitysandwich.com/75652/greatest_epidemic/

  27. Catholic Jesuit Superior resigns after charged with Black Mass child sacrifices
    Catholic Jesuit Superior Adolfo Panchon announced his resignation this week after an international court linked him to the Ninth Circle Satanic Child Sacrifice Cult. The court “examined numerous eyewitnesses and Vatican archival documentation that clearly link Pachon, Pope Francis, former Pope Ratzinger and Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby to the ritual rape and killing of children as recently as 2010″…
    http://childabuserecovery.com/catholic-jesuit-superior-resigns-after-charged-with-black-mass-child-sacrifices/#.U4YmeEBH5JI

  28. The about section is a sarcastic parody? Cuz if you were actually serious about this you would bother to grammar check, right? right?

  29. Google “Beckett Brown International” to see the very tip of the biggest corporate espionage scandal of all-time!!! That crooked company was hatched at the U.S. Secret Service Financial Crimes Division by their then Regional Supervisor Paul Rakowski. Numerous racketeering and corporate espionage crimes were planned, directed and carried out by former high-level USSS agents. A massive cover-up has been orchestrated by Baltimore law firm Semmes, Bowen & Semmes who were involved in some of these crimes.

  30. How can I make person contact with the marvelous, informed doctors that I see on your site?

    My wife has advanced stage Alzheimer’s. The medical profession says that nothing further can be done to help her. I do not believe that is true. To help her it is imperative for me to directly contact Dr. John Bergman.

    MY WIFE IS NOT DEAD AND AS LONG AS SHE IS ALIVE I KNOW THAT DR. JOHN BERGMAN CAN HELP HER. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE GET THIS MESSAGE TO HIM.

  31. Picture

    In 2011, the Fukushima nuclear power plant reactor fuel melted down. We do not know which one or how many have completely melted down since the Japanese government is concealing these facts. The Japanese government wants the people to believe that after the meltdown that all the uranium was eliminated by the explosion but only a small amount of the 150 tons of uranium was eliminated by the explosion. I estimate that less than 50 pounds of the core uranium exploded. The rest of the uranium melted and formed a critical mass fission fire ball that melted through the core enclosure and creating a 50 feet well beneath the reactor, at the bottom of this well, exists a 140 ton fission fire ball. This nuclear fire ball is being cooled by ground water and 300 tons of water being pump into the well, forming radioactive tritium “is a low energy beta emitter, it is not dangerous externally (its beta particles are unable to penetrate the skin), but it is a radiation hazard when inhaled, ingested via food or water, or absorbed through the skin.” Wiki. “A small quantity of the water used to cool nuclear reactors is converted by radiation to tritiated water” http://www.google.com/patents/US4085061. It s been reported that 250 tons of water is being used to cold the fission fire ball which is generating 300 tons of radioactive water that is being released into the ocean everyday. There is no doubt that an uncontrolled nuclear fission reaction is occurring at Fukushima, today, that is being cold by the ground water and water injected into the well. This super fission fire ball could last at least 20 years or maybe 500 years at current tritium emission levels. Tritium H3 has a half life of 12.3 years and can propagate in water unlike cesium that is extremely heavy; consequently, the tritium is circulating in the pacific ocean and poisoning the fish. The world fishing industry represents more than 30 billion dollars per year which is the reason that the tritium problem is being concealed but the problem will get worst everyday since 300 tons of radioactive water, containing tritium, is being released from Fukushima everyday. Their has been a massive die off of fish, in the pacific ocean, since 2011. There exists a 50 mile radius marine dead zone that is centered around Fukushima that radius increases daily. Also, the star fish population along the US west coast has collapsed, and the US west coast crap season has been canceled; furthermore, birth defects that appear similar to genetic mutations are occurring in South America. Did the fishing industry sell radioactive fish to South Americans?

    Jay Cullen, has received $630,000 from MEOPAR to monitor the Pacific for Fukushima radiation from 2014 to 2017. MEOPAR stands for Marine Environmental Observation Prediction and Response Network (MEOPAR).http://communications.uvic.ca/releases/release.php?display=release&id=1427

    Dr. Robert Walker, Chairman of the Board of MEOPAR, has been deeply involved in the nuclear industry. He was simultaneously President and CEO of Canadian Nuclear Laboratories, until almost the exact day that Dr. Richard Wilcox called foul about the ties between Dr. Walker and the Fukushima radiation testing. You can see in the internet archive, Wayback Machine, that Walker was still listed as both MEOPAR Board Chair AND President & CEO Canadian Nuclear

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fukushima+meltdown&biw=1600&bih=784&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjlk-yfk4XLAhUFxGMKHeqpDl4Q_AUICCgD#tbm=isch&tbs=rimg%3ACQo4ensKtUR1IjiYnNROjPt8UaAgZkD2X2_1t6hjrBRARY_1vt5Y4P7AsVwKDpwpMRsRzeZpdohGtp0AdqoSmHMhPbiSoSCZic1E6M-3xREbZPFuyJsU2LKhIJoCBmQPZfb-0R10tMdcdpJJcqEgnqGOsFEBFj-xFwaLMFnnf8zyoSCe3ljg_1sCxXAEbK51gbfcY1qKhIJoOnCkxGxHN4Rad7uxT-tajgqEglml2iEa2nQBxHTx1ogzqC0-CoSCWqhKYcyE9uJESLZOMbqv09V&q=fukushima%20meltdown&imgrc=gqdjWpUzYbwUcM%3A

  32. Satellite data now Adjusted. science is dead..
    Revamped satellite data shows no pause in global warming
    The Remote Sensing System temperature data, promoted by many who reject mainstream climate science and especially most recently by Sen. Ted Cruz, now shows a slight warming of about 0.18 degrees Fahrenheit since 1998. Ground temperature measurements, which many scientists call more accurate, all show warming in the past 18 years.

    “There are people that like to claim there was no warming; they really can’t claim that anymore,” said Carl Mears, the scientist who runs the Remote Sensing System temperature data tracking.

    The change resulted from an adjustment Mears made to fix a nagging discrepancy in the data from 15 satellites.

    Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2016-03-revamped-satellite-global.html#jCp

  33. Hey, thanks for including our own credit card statistics page in your piece on credit card sign-ups (http://www.infiniteunknown.net/2011/02/09/are-americans-stupid-enough-to-sign-up-for-a-credit-card-charging-them-59-9-interest-yes-700000-americans-have-signed-up-with-200000-to-300000-new-applications-a-month/). We just redesigned that page, and some of the statistics moved to different pages.

    The average debt statistic can be found here: http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/credit-card-debt-statistics-1276.php

    The total number of credit cards statistics can be found here: http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/ownership-statistics-charts-1276.php

    If you’d like for your users to easily see what you’re referencing, it would be great to change the link in the piece. The page you currently link to will stay live, but the information may have changed.

    Sincerely,
    Connor, on behalf of CreditCards.com

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  37. SERIOUS SHAME: ACLU PLAYS PARTISAN ON FAKE NEWS TO JOIN IN ON THE FAKE NEWS HOAX

    The Executive Director of the ACLU, Anthony Romero, emailed me December 22nd (I’m one of many millions of members) as “another” PLEASE DONATE email.

    I should add the ACLU spends “enormous” amount of time, energy and money soliciting funds (and renewals). Savvy people know a good percentage of funding that many non-profit-do-good organizations requests actually go to for-profit organizations that often do much of their solicitation work. Equally plenty the total goes to the often over-paid salaries of executives of these organizations, etc.; whereas some goes to pay for the solicitation of more donations.

    But more importantly ACLU pretends to be non-partisan. It lists its “activist issues” and they center squarely on Free Speech. The first claim on their website when you click on “About” says:

    For almost 100 years, the ACLU has worked to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed by the Constitution and laws of the United States.

    And naturally their big issue for decades has been Free Speech (not so much the Second Amendment?). But why then does it seem that the ACLU is going to great lengths to push a very corrupt Hilary Clinton? This supposedly intelligent organization has seemingly taken everything the mainstream media has said about Trump (and all the many distortions and disinformation) and treated like godsend.

    Every ACLU email I received over the last several months suggests (actually blatantly states) Donald Trump would be far worse to human rights than Hilary Clinton.

    There is nothing about Wikileaks and the Project Veritas revelations, nothing about DCLeaks regarding George Soros, nothing about how the Clinton campaign stole the nomination from Bernie Sanders, nothing about the deep collusion between much of the mainstream media and the corrupt Democratic Party, nothing how the Wikileaks were ignored by many because people bought into the red herring of Russia hacking, nothing about murder of DNC staffer Seth Rich this last summer (likely source of leak—not even a hack—cover-up of crime) etc., and more importantly nothing about how the mainstream media has ignored so many serious issues as a way of censorship and fake news.

    NOW ACLU HAS INADEQUATELY RESPONDED TO THE “FAKE NEWS PROPAGANDA STORY” AS A BLIND MAN WITH KID GLOVES. It is total B.S.

    In Anthony Romero’s December 22nd Please Donate email he lists a few talking points—first listed:
    “Read our Senior Policy Analyst’s take on “fake news” and free speech, as well as an update on what Facebook is doing about it.” If you click on the link it goes to:

    Fixing Fake News By Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project December 12, 2016 at:

    https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-future/fixing-fake-news?emsrc=Nat_Appeal_AutologinEnabled&emissue=year_end&emtype=cultivation&ms=eml_161222_YE_cultivation_union_mem

    To say the least Jay Stanley’s response is Egregious. HOW THE ACLU THAT IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT DEFENDING THE UNDERDOG HAS SO PATHETICALLY BECOME SO PARTISAN AND SO NAÏVE ABOUT SUCH AN IMPORTANT SUBJECT and in such an important time on this critical issue!!

    So MANY supposedly progressive organizations have ignored or down-played this issue—and seemingly especially those gaining funding through George Soros? This would be an excellent test to see if in fact Soros is corrupting the politics of the United States in another matter. We need to examine “all” the many organizations Soros funds that relate to politics and civil rights, see: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1237

    What is Robert Reich discussing? What does Amy Goodman and Democracy Now?

    Thank goodness there is a voice out there in the wilderness that has been deeply and trenchantly critical of the Clinton Campaign. See The Sane Progressive, Debbie Lusignan, and study “all” her past videos, check out now (she alone could wake up the left if people acknowledged her existence 5 Stars for the Sane Progressive as there are too few of them *****):

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=AwrSbmcm62lYvrkAXQ9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0MjZoaTl1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjI3ODJfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw–?p=sane+progressive+No%2C+Russia+Did+Not+Hack+Grid.+Republican%2FDemocrats+Reveal+the+GAME+with+Latest+Lie&fr=tightropetb&fr2=piv-web#id=1&vid=1a0a32a80e3ed986eefe7b6d86dd25fd&action=view

    And

    https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video;_ylt=A2KIo9XH62lYZXcAM437w8QF?fr=tightropetb&p=The+Sane+Progressive&vage=week#id=3&vid=026dc4bb033ee402eb055ca693667bea&action=view

    I have decided to print the Stanley statement on Fixing Fake News to show the great level of ignorance, hypocrisy and collusion (and you need to read deep into the memo to really get the real gist (as many would not bother) before you get the gist of the distortion and lies being supported by the ACLU).

    I am sorry this response by Stanley is somewhat boring, overly-long, haphazard and pedantic (I think it is on purpose). It is a bit of a chore to read (but hopefully my commentary spices it up a bit by dealing with real issues). I cannot make his statement and my response to what he attends the most exciting in the world—but the fact that this is what the head of the ACLU is pointing to as their current position on FAKE NEWS IN RELATION TO THE REAL ISSUE OF FREE SPEECH AND IT SPEAKS MOUNTAINS. Try to understand what it means for an organization of many HUNDREDS OF lawyers to be put to sleep with this blather and bullshit. This should b alarming. Time to wake up the world of lawyering:

    MY RESPONSE IS IN CAPITAL LETTERS INTERJECTED BETWEEN THE NORMAL PRINT OF PROSE (because many contact us websites do not take colors variations and so I have no other way to distinguish one voice from another).

    Feel free to read and share as you will find it scary in its implications (because the American Civil Liberties Union is ESPECIALLY supposed to be about free speech). It is interesting to witness how this sophistic argument devolves into a low ball style of partisan dishonesty equal to much of the left. Here then is presented the ACLU joke response to fake news:

    Fixing Fake News By Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, ACLU Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project

    [NOTE: THAT CAPITALIZATION IS RESPONSE TO STANLEY ARTICLE.]

    There has been a lot of {DISTORTION} discussion lately about “fake news,” which appears to have circulated with fierce velocity on social media throughout this past election season {BUT MOSTLY AFTER THE 33RD DNC DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE ATTEMPT TO ILLEGALLY STEAL THE ELECTION BY DECLARING RUSSIAN DID IT}. This has prompted calls for the likes of Facebook and Google to fix the problem.

    {FROM THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA MSM AND OTHER PLAYERS OF THE GLOBALIST POWER STRUCTURE (OF WHICH SEVERAL PLAYERS IN THE CIA ARE INCLUDED.}

    What are we to think of this from a free speech and civil liberties perspective?

    {FIRST YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND A MORE SOPHISTICATED ANALYSIS OF HOW MUCH DECEIT HAS BEEN GENERATED BY THE MSM AND THE POLWER ELITE BEFORE YOU ASK SUCH A NAIVELY WORDED QUESTION WITH ALMOST NO EXPLANATION OF THE REAL AND DEEP PROBLEM OF ALTERNATIVE WEBSITES EXPOSING THE CORRUPTION OF THE ELITIST ENTERPRISE.}

    With Facebook, which has been a particular subject of calls for reform, there are actually two issues that should be thought about separately. The first involves Facebook’s “Trending News” section, which was the subject of a flap earlier this year when it emerged that it was actually edited by humans, rather than being generated by a dumb algorithm that simply counted up clicks. A former employee alleged that the human curators were biased against conservative material. In the wake of that controversy, Facebook took the humans out of the loop, making the “Trending News” more of a simple mirror held up to the Facebook user base showing them what is popular.

    {WHAT GOBBLEDYGOOD HORSE MANICURE IS THIS SUPPOSED TO SIGNIFY? THIS AUTHOR THROWS AROUND ABSTRACT WORDS AND PHRASES LIKE “HUMAN CURATORS” AND ‘DUMB ALGORITHMS” AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO AVER TO HE-SAID-SHE-SAID BALONEY?}

    {GET SOMETHING STRAIGHT—THIS CENSORSHIP IS ABOUT CENSORING MEANING OF CERTAIN IDEAS AND POINTS OF VIEW—NOT ABOUT CLICKS AND MATHEMATICAL HOCUS POCUS. THE IDEA THERE IS SOME OBJECTIVE, ELECTRONIC, AND ROBOTIC CENSORING HAPPENING IS BAT-DROPPINGS. BESIDES COMPUTER PROGRAMMING IS ULTIMATELY CREATED BY HUMANS BE THEY CURATORS OR NOT. CURATORS TAKE CARE OF MUSEUSMS AND ARCHIVISTS ARCHIVE (AND EQUALLY DO NOT SET OUT TO CENSOR). GET YOUR SO-CALLED LITERAY SEMANTIC STRAIGHT!}

    As I said in a blog post at the time, I’m ambivalent about this part of the fake news controversy.

    {NO IT IS WORSE: YOU ARE UNCONSCIOUS TO THE REAL AND DEEP ISSUES. YOU ARE NAÏVE.}

    On the one hand, it can be valuable and interesting to see what pieces are gaining circulation on Facebook, independent of their merit. On the other hand, Facebook certainly has the right, acting like any publisher, to view the term “trending” loosely and publish a curated list of interesting material from among those that are proving popular at a given time.

    {ONE HUGE PROBLEM WITH YOUR ANALYSIS IS THAT YOU FAIL TO MENTION THAT THIS FAKE NEWS PROPAGANDA BLITZ EVOLVED WITH THE DEMOCRATIC PRTY TRYING TO USE RUSSIA AS A RED HERRING AND THEN CERTAIN SHADY “LISTS” OF SPECIFIC WEBSITES BEING “LISTED” AS PURVERORS OF FAKE NEWS (ACTUALLY REAL NEWS) FROM NO LESS THAN THE WASHINGTON POST. YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE (OR PRETEND TO BE) UNFAMILIAR WITH THE SO-CALLED FAKE NEWS SOURCES? FACEBOOK CAM INTO THIS ISSUE OF LATE AS AFTERMATH.}

    {YOU DO NOT EVEN HAVE THE PULSE OF THE STORY!!! SEE VIDEO SEQUENCE (STARTING AT: 2:14:00) FROM INFOWARS WITH JOHN RAPPOPORT FROM NOMOREFAKENEWS.COM AS HE GIVES ONE OF THE MANY REAL NEWS EXPLANATIONS ABOUT THIS POLITICAL SITUATION (THAT ANY COMPTENT PERSON COULD FIND ON THE INTERNET): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ab2pfPVlXM

    One advantage of their doing so is that crazy stuff won’t get amplified further through the validation of being declared “News” by Facebook.

    {THE ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT ‘CRAZY STUFF’ RATHER IT IS ABOUT THEDELIBERATE DECEIT (DISINFORMATION) COMING FROM THE MSM. CRAZY IS A LAYPERSON TERM OF SUBJECTIVITY. THE WORD ‘SANITY’ COMES TO US FROM LATIN ‘SANUS’ MEANING ‘SOUND’; AND MUCH OF WHAT IS WRITTEN AND SPOKEN ON MANY OF THE “LISTED” FAKE NEWS SIGHTS IS COMPRISED OF SOUND ARGUMENTS.}

    A result of the decision to take human editors out of the loop is that a number of demonstrably false news items have subsequently appeared in the “Trending News” list. {FAKE BECAUSE THIS IS A LOW-LEVEL SIDE ISSUE.}

    But Facebook plays a separate, far more significant function than their role as publisher of Trending News: it serves as the medium for a peer-to-peer communications network. I can roam anywhere on the Internet, get excited by some piece of material, brilliant or bogus, and post it on Facebook for my Friends to see. If some of them like it, they can in turn post it for their Friends to see.

    The question is, do we want Facebook in its role as administrator of this peer-to-peer communications network to police the veracity of the material that users send each other? If I don’t post something stupid on Facebook, I can telephone my friends to tell them about it, or text them the link, or tell them about it in a bar. Nobody is going to do anything to stop the spread of fake news through those channels.

    {THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHAT ONE CAN ‘TECHNICALLY’ DEFINE FASCIST-BOOK (ONE OF THE REAL CHARACTERISTICS OF FASCISM IS THAT IT SEEKS TO CENSOR IDEAS) BE IT PEER-TO-PEER OR SMEAR-TO-SMEAR.}

    {THIS IS ABOUT MAGNITUDE OF AUDIENCE AND THE SURVIVAL OFSMALL MEDIA VERSUS AHEGELY CORRUPT MAINSTREAM MEDIA MADE OF MOSTLY SIX CORPORATIONS. INFORMAL NORMS HAVE ALWAYS EXISTED TO SHUN, ARGUE, VENT, TO COMPLAIN, ETC. THESE NORMS WILL CONTINUE TO INFLUENCE PEOPLE.}

    {ACLU PEOPLE SEEM TO THINK NORMAL PEOPLE ARE TOO NAÏVE TOTHINK FOR THEMSELVES AND MUST HAVE DESIGNATED “AUTHORITY” FIGURES BE THEIR MASTERS—KIND OF STRANGE GIVEN ALL THECORRUPTION FROM THE AUTHORITY PEOPLE?}

    Facebook doesn’t want to get into that business,

    {HOW DOES JAY STANLEYKNOW WHAT FAKEBOOK (OR ANY SLIVER OF THAT HUGE OUTFIT) WANTS—SIMPLY BECAUSE HE CHOOSES TO BELIEVE SOMETHIG?}

    … and I don’t think we want them to, either. Imagine the morass it would create.

    {THEN WHY DID THEY JUMP INTO THE FRAY? WHY IS ZUCKERBERG MEETING WITH THE CHINESE AND SO OFTEN (IF NOT ABOUT CENSORSHIP)?}

    There will be easy, clear cases, such as a piece telling someone to drink Drano to lose weight, which is not only obviously false but also dangerous. But there would also be a thicket of hard-to-call cases. Is acupuncture effective? Are low-carb diets “fake”? Is barefoot running good for you? These are examples of questions where an established medical consensus may have once been confidently dismissive, but which now are, at a minimum, clouded with controversy.

    {THERE IS SCIENCE THAT CAN OFTEN BE ARGUED ON FACTS AND CAN SEEM MORE OR LESS BLACK AND WHITE AND THEN THERE IS POLITICS THAT IS OFTEN BASED ON 150 SHADES OF GREY AND MANY FORMS OF DECEIT INHERENT. POLITICS AND NEWS IS ESPECIALLY FRAUGHT WITH SHADY OPINION AND LIES. AND THIS IS WHAT THIS DEBATE ABOUT FAKE NEWS IS REALLY ABOUT. IT IS NOT ABOUT DRINKING DRANO AND NOT RUNNING BAREFOOT. JAY STANLEY IS NOT EVEN PUTTING HIS TOES IN THE POOL HERE. HE IS COMPLETELY ACTING LIKE A NAÏVE FOOL WHO HAS NO AWARENESS THAT FAKE NEWS HAS BEEN A DOMINANT FORCE IN AMERICAN NEWS REPORTING BEFORE THE INTERNET EVEN EXISTED. AMATEUR WOULD BE A KIND WAY TO SAY IT.}

    How is Facebook to evaluate materials making various claims in such areas, inevitably made with highly varying degrees of nuance and care—let alone politically loaded claims about various officeholders? Like all mass censorship, it would inevitably lead the company into a morass of inconsistent and often silly decisions and troubling exercises of power.

    {MIRRIAM-WEBSTER SHOWS SYNONYMS OF THE WORD CHOICE OF ‘SILLY’ TO BE: BIRDBRAINED, DITZY (OR DITSY), DIZZY, FEATHERBRAINED, FLIGHTY, FRIVOLOUS, FROTHY, FUTILE, GOOFY, HAREBRAINED, LIGHT-HEADED, LIGHT-MINDED, PUERILE, SCATTERBRAINED, GIDDY, YEASTY.

    THE REAL DISCUSSION HERE IS ABOUT THE WORD “DECEIT” AND SYNONYMS LIKE: ARTIFICE, CHEATING, COZENAGE, CRAFT, CRAFTINESS, CROOKEDNESS, CROOKERY, CUNNING, CUNNINGNESS, DECEITFULNESS, DECEPTION, DECEPTIVENESS, DISHONESTY, DISSEMBLING, DISSIMULATION, DOUBLE-DEALING, DUPERY, DUPLICITY, FAKERY, FOXINESS, FRAUD, GUILE, GUILEFULNESS.

    THESE ARE TWO DIFFERENT BALLPARK DISCUSSIONS THAT GO WAY BEYOND CONNOTATION, NUANCE OR VARIATION IN OPINION.}

    It might sound easy to get rid of “fake news,” but each case will be a specific, individual judgment call, and often, a difficult one.

    {EVERY SINGLE SOURCE OF FACT OR OPINION HAS BOTH GRADATIONS OF TRUTH AND GRADATION OF FALSEHOOD. OFTEN FALSEHOODS OR DELIBERATE LIES BATTLE FALSEHOODS OR DELIBERATE LIES. ONE CAN GET A REASONABLY LEARNED PERSPECTIVE BY STUDYING A WIDE RANGE OF CONFLICTING VIEWS—WHICH MEANS MORE VARIETY OF INPUT AND OPINION (ESPECIALLY THE LESS KNOWN AND MORE EMOTIONALLY DISTURBING OPINION AS ALLOWED AS A COMMON GOOD). THINGS POLITICAL OR SELDOM BLACK OR WHITE SAVE THE MOST DOGMATIC SAYING SO.}

    The algorithm

    It is true that in some ways Facebook already interposes itself between users and their Friends—that unlike, say, the telephone system, it does not serve as a neutral medium for ideas and communications. If Facebook got out of the way and let every single posting and comment from every one of your Friends flow through your newsfeed, you would quickly be overwhelmed.

    {FACEBOOK IS ALREADY GETTING OUT OF THE WAY BY INVITING COMPETITION FOR ITS NICHE.}

    So they use “The Algorithm” to try to assess what they think you’ll be most interested in, and place that in your feed. The company says this algorithm tries to assess content for whether it’s substantive, whether you’ll find it relevant to you personally based on your interests, and also how interested you are in the Friend who posted it, based on how often you click on their stuff (Facebook actually assigns you numbers for each of your Friends, a “stalking score” that indicates how interested you seem to be in each of them).

    {SOUNDS LIKE FAKEBOOK IS PLAYING GOD? WHICH GOD WILL DECIDE WHAT IS SUBSTANTIVE (A BOOK ON PHILOSOPHY BY ITSELF)? THIS IS NOT ABOUT FACEBOOK. THIS IS ABOUT ALL MAJOR INTERNET COMPANIES AND THE UNITED NATIONS CONTROLLING THE INTERNET. THIS IS ABOUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY AND THE OLD MAINSTREAM MEDIA CREATING A POLITICAL BOMBSHELL IN ORDER TO PUT PRESSURE ON TECH COMPANIES TO CONTROL AND SUPPRESS THE FLOW OF IDEAS AND ARGUMENTS, AND IT IS ABOUT POLITICIANS CREATING LAWS TO FURTHER CREATE A MINISTRY OF TRUTH. HOW CAN AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION BE SO SEEMINGLY LAME OR STUPID?}

    Facebook provides some details on how its algorithm works in its “News Feed FYI” blog. Some of those mechanisms already arguably constitute censorship of a sort. For example, the company heavily downgrades items with headlines that it judges to be “clickbaity,” based on a Bayesian algorithm (similar to those used to identify spam) trained on a body of such headlines. That means that if you write a story with a headline that fits that pattern, it is unlikely to be seen by many Facebook users because the company will hide it. Since January 2015 Facebook has also heavily downgraded stories that Facebook suspects are “hoaxes,” based on their being flagged as such by users and frequently deleted by posters. (That would presumably cover something like the Drano example.)

    {OBVIOUSLY WHEN MILLIONS OF VOICES ARE IN PLAY THERE CAN BE INFORMATION CHAOS AND INFORMATION CORRUPTION WHEN THERE ARE FEW GATEKEEPERS PAYING ATTENTION IN A WORLD THAT CAN HAVE REAL DANGERS. LIBRARIANS DO NOT LECTURE PEOPLE ON WHAT THEY SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT THINK ABOUT. STILL THERE IS A TRADITION OF PUBLISHING INSTITUTIONS PROVIDING A WIDE RANGE OF COMPETING BOOKS, MAGAZINES, AND FORMS OF PUBLICATIONS THAT HAVE SOME HISTORY, AND SOME REVIEW. BUT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL OF BEING TRUSTWORTHINESS. IT IS NOT THE COMMON PERSON’S FAULT THAT LESS THAN 10% OF THE PUBLIC GIVES AN APPROVAL RATING TO EITHER THE CONGRESS OR THE MEDIA. THE REAL NEWS FROM WIKILEAKS IS THAT THE MSM COLLUDED WITH THE HILARY CLINTON CAMPAIGN (UNETHICAL AND ILLEGAL). AMERICANS AT THIS TIME HAVE NO AUTHORITY FIGURES THEY CAN TRUST—THEY ARE BEING FORCED TO BE MORE RESOURCEFUL FOR THEMSELVES (A POSITIVE REALTIY).}

    Most of this interference with the neutral flow of information among Friends is aimed at making Facebook more fun and entertaining for its users.

    {SO ACLU HONCHO ROMERO IS FOBBING OFF THIS SINGLE ANGLE ABOUT FAKEBOOK AS IF THEIR RESPONSE TO THE ENTIRE FAKE NEWS BLITZ? SOUNDS KIND OF FAKE FROM AN ORGANIZATION THAT SUPPOSEDLY IS PARTIALLY FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS?}

    Though I’m uncomfortable with the power they have, I don’t have any specific reason to doubt that their algorithm is currently oriented toward that stated goal, especially since it aligns with the company’s commercial incentives as an advertiser.

    {AS IF THIS WERE MERELY ABOUT SOME MERE COMPANY ISSUE. WHY IS ZUCKERBERG MEETING WITH BENJAMIN NETANYAHU IN ISRAEL GIVEN ISRAEL IS SO INTERESTED IN AMERICAN POLITICS AND SPYING ON THE U.S.? IS FACEBOOK MERELY AN AVERAGE COMPANY HAVING AVERAGE COMPANY ISSUES? NO. FACEBOOK IS A HEGEMON.}

    There are of course very real and serious questions about how Facebook’s algorithmic pursuit of “fun” for its users contributes to the Filter Bubble, in which we tend to see only material that confirms our existing views.

    {DO WE NEED TO STUDY THE SYNONYMS OF THE WORD ‘FUN’? ARE YOUNG PEOPLE MOSTLY CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING FUN OR COULD THE YOUNG (WHO HAVE INHERITED SUCH A MESSED UP SOCIETY AND WORLD) ACTUALLY BE INTERESTED IN REAL WORLD AFFAIRS? DOES THIS ARGUMENT NOW DEVOLVE INTO IRRELEVANCE?}

    The difference between art and commerce has been defined as the difference between that which expands our horizons by getting us out of our comfort zone—i.e. by making us uncomfortable—and that which lets us stay complacently where we already are with pleasing and soothing confirmations of our existing views. In that, Facebook’s News feed is definitely commerce, not art. It does not pay to challenge people and make them uncomfortable.

    {THE ACLU IS NOW GETTING ACADEMIC WITH ART AND COMMERCE? HERE IS MERRIAM-WEBSTER DICTIONARY OF THE WORD FAKE: DEFINITION OF FAKE
    1. : ONE THAT IS NOT WHAT IT PURPORTS TO BE: AS A : A WORTHLESS IMITATION PASSED OFF AS GENUINE B : IMPOSTOR, CHARLATAN C : A SIMULATED MOVEMENT IN A SPORTS CONTEST (AS A PRETENDED KICK, PASS, OR JUMP OR A QUICK MOVEMENT IN ONE DIRECTION BEFORE GOING IN ANOTHER) DESIGNED TO DECEIVE AN OPPONENT D : A DEVICE OR APPARATUS USED BY A MAGICIAN TO ACHIEVE THE ILLUSION OF MAGIC IN A TRICK}

    But for Facebook to assume the burden of trying to solve a larger societal problem of fake news by tweaking these algorithms would likely just make the situation worse. To its current role as commercially motivated curator of things-that-will-please-its-users would be added a new role: guardian of the social good.

    THIS ACLU ADVOCATE GUY MUST BE SOME GRADUATE OF AN IVY LEAGUE COLLEGE? SNEER.}

    And that would be based on who-knows-what judgment of what that good might be at a given time. If the company had been around in the 1950s and 1960s, for example, how would it have handled information about Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, gay rights, and women’s rights? A lot of material that is now seen as vital to social progress would then have been widely seen as beyond the pale.

    {A LOT OF STUFF SEEN AS VITAL TODAY FROM THE SO-CALLED LEFT IS BEYOND THE PALE (MOSTLY DEBUNKED BY OTHERS ELSEWHERE). OH THE PAST WAS SO NAÏVE TO THE CURRENT AGE OF SOCIAL RIGHTEOUS WARRIOR LIKE LEFT-WINGERS SCREAMING THEIR HATRED ABOUT THE HATRED ON THE RIGHT.}

    The company already has a frightening amount of power, and this would increase it dangerously. We wouldn’t want the government doing this kind of censorship—that would almost certainly be unconstitutional—and many of the reasons that would be a bad idea would also apply to Facebook, which is the government of its own vast realm.

    {WHY DOES THIS SOUND LIKE SOME PATRONIZING CYNIC IN A CLOUD OF MEDIOCRITY WHO ACTS AS IF HE HAS NO IDEA OF CURRENT CORRUPTION BY THE STATUS QUO AND NO MENTION OF AN ALREADY EVOLVED POLICE STATE?}

    For one thing, once Facebook builds a giant apparatus for this kind of constant truth evaluation, we can’t know in what direction it may be turned. What would Donald Trump’s definition of “fake news” be?

    {ANY HIRED FAT MAN DRESSED AS SANTA CLAUS IN A SHOPPING MALL COULD ARGUE BETTER THAN THIS LAWYER-BASED ACLU SWITCHING TO TRUMP RATHER THAN DEALING WITH NON-PARTISAN REALITIES HEAD-ON. SANTA CLAUS DOES NOT MAKE 120 DOLLARS AN HOUR LIKE LAWYERS.}

    Social Media Helps Police Spy On Activists Act now

    The ACLU’s ideal is that a forum for free expression that is as central to our national political conversations as Facebook has become would not feature any kind of censorship or other interference with the neutral flow of information. {THERE ARE LAWS ALREADY. THIS IS NOT ANARCHISM TO SPEAK REAL TRUTH IN A WORLD OF CORRUPTION.}

    It {PRONOUN} already does engage in such interference in response to its commercial interest in tamping down the uglier sides of free speech {NOT ESPECIALLY CLEAR} , but to give Facebook the role of national Guardian of Truth would exponentially increase the pitfalls that approach brings.

    The company does not need to interfere more heavily in Americans’ communications. {THIS IS ALL SO NEBULOUS ISN’T IT?} We would like to see Facebook go in the other direction, becoming more transparent about the operation of its algorithms to ordinary users, and giving them an ever-greater degree of control over how that algorithm works.

    {WE (WE OF THE TRUTH COMMUNITY) WOULD LIKE TO SEE ALL TECH COMPANIES TELL THE GLOBALISTS TO FACE REALITY—THEY HAVE BEEN CAUGHT BLATANTLY WITH THEIR PANTS DOWN COLLUDING WITH THE MOST CORRUPT POLITICAL COUPLE IN AMERICAN HISTORY (AS WELL AS GIVING COVER FOR AN ELABORATELY CORRUPT POLITICAL CULTURE). TELL THE MSM AND THE STATUS QUO TO EAT CROW. LIVE AND LET LIVE.}

    The real problem

    {OH YEAH YOU ARE FINALLY GOING TO ADDRESS A REAL PROBLEM???????}

    At the end of the day, fake news is not a symptom of a problem with our social-communications sites, but a societal problem. Facebook and other sites are just the medium.

    {TRUE AND FALSE: FAKEBOOK COULD BE MOSTLY A MEDIUM (SAME WORD AS MEDIA). BUT MEDIA IS ULTIMATELY CONTROLLED BY LAWS, PRACTICES AND PERSONS. IT WAS NOT THE ACLU THAT WOKE UP THE AMERICAN PUBLIC TO THE SNOWDEN LEAKS. NOT MUCH SO FAR IN THE RESPONSE HAS THERE BEEN MENTION OF JULIAN ASSANGE OR WIKILEAKS? THIS TOO SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM?}

    Writing in the New Yorker, Nicholas Lemann looks beyond information regulation by Facebook to another possible solution to the fake news problem: creating and bolstering public media like the BBC and NPR. But whatever the merits of public media may be, the problem today is not that there aren’t good news outlets; the problem is that there is a large group of Americans who don’t believe what those outlets say, and have aggressively embraced an alternate, self-contained set of facts and sources of facts. This is not a problem that can be fixed either by Mark Zuckerberg or by turning PBS into another BBC.

    {THE ALTERNATIVE IS NOT SELF-CONTAINED (IT IS COMPRISED OF POTENTIALLY MILLIONS OF DIVERSE SOURCES). THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS VERY MUCH SELF-CONTAINED. AND THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM.}

    There are two general (albeit overlapping) problems here. The first is simply that there are a lot of credulous people out there who create a marketplace for mercenary creators of fake news, which can be about any topic. The timeless problem of gullible people has been exacerbated by the explosion of news sources and people’s inability to evaluate their credibility.

    {BY NOW WE REALIZE THAT THIS ACLU SPOKESPERSON HAS DECIDED TO PLAY GULLIBLE AND SELL WHAT AMOUNTS TO AS DETRITUS FOR WORTHY ARGUMENT. THIS ORGANIZATION THAT CLAIMS TO REPRESENT LAWYERS HAS BECOME AN EMBARRASSMENT FOR THE IDEA OF PUTTING FORTH AN ARGUMENT. THEY “TALK DOWN” TO DONORS AND THE SUPPOSED GULLIBLE? IF YOU KNOW THE WORD ‘MERCENARY’ THEN YOU ARE OF THE ELITIST CLASS.}

    For much of the 20th century, most people got most of their news from three television networks and a hometown newspaper or two. If a guy was handing out a leaflet on a street corner, people knew to question its value. If he was working for their union or for the Red Cross, they might trust him. If he was a random Macedonian teenager, they might not. The wonderful and generally healthy explosion of information sources made possible by the Internet has a downside, which is that it has collapsed the distinctions between established newspapers and the online equivalent of people handing out material on street corners. The physical cues that signal to people whether or not to trust pamphleteers in the park are diminished, and many people have not yet learned to read them.

    {ARE WE GOING TO GET A WHOLE CLASS ON SOCIOLOGY BECAUSE A GOOD ARGUMENT DOESN’T NEED TO RAMBLE ON CLICHÉS.}

    We can hope that someday the entire population {OF POST GRADUATE LAWYERS} will be well-educated enough to discriminate between legitimate and bogus sources online—or at least adapt and learn to be more discriminating online as it’s natural to be off. But until that day arrives, gullibility will always be a problem.

    {SYNONYMS TO THE WORD ‘GULLIBLE’: DEWY-EYED, EXPLOITABLE, EASY (ALSO GULLABLE), NAIVE (OR NAÏVE), SUSCEPTIBLE, TRUSTING, UNWARY, WIDE-EYED.}

    The second problem is the existence of a specific political movement that rejects the “mainstream media” in favor of a group of ideological news outlets like Breitbart and Infowars—a movement of politically motivated people who eagerly swallow not just opinions but also facts that confirm their views and attitudes and aggressively reject anything that challenges those views.

    {SUDDENLY WE DISCOVER “IDEOLOGICAL NEWS OUTLETS”? THIS AUTHOR WAITS THIS LONG IN THIS MEDIOCRE NARRATIVE TO SHOW HIS CARDS. (BY NOW ALMOST NO ONE THAT STARTED READING THIS ATTEMPT AT PERSUASION HAS BOTHERED TO GO THIS FAR). FINALLY PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT PART OF THE FACEBOOK PAGE COMPANY ARE BEING ADDRESSED?}

    Left and right have always picked and chosen from among established facts to some extent, and constructed alternate narratives to explain the same facts. But what is new is a large number of Americans who have rejected the heretofore commonly accepted sources of the facts that those narratives are built out of.

    {YES THAT IS CORRECT—YOU HAVE STATED SOMETHING TRUE BUT OBVIOUS.}

    The defense mechanisms against intellectual challenge by those living in this world are robust.

    {A PROPHET PARTING HE SEAS.}

    I have encountered this in my own social media debates when I try to correct factual errors. When I point posters to a news article in a source like the New York Times or Washington Post, {SPECIFIC NEWSPAPERS ARE FINALLY MENTIONED (THOSE THAT ARE SO HEAVILY GUILTY OF DISINFORMATION} I am told that those “liberal mainstream media sources” can’t be trusted. While these sources certainly make mistakes, and like everyone are inevitably subject to all kinds of systemic biases in what they choose to publish and how they tell stories, they are guided by long-evolved professional and reputational standards and do not regularly get major facts wrong without being called to task.

    {THE REAL NEWS IS THE ALLEDGED FAKE NEWS PEOPLE, THE GOOD ONES, TOO OCCASIONALLY MAKES MISTAKES AS DO ALL MERE MORTALS, BUT THEY STILL MOSTLY ABIDE STRICT STANDARDS.}

    When I point people to the highly reputable fact-checking site Snopes, I am told that it is “funded by George Soros,” and for that reason can apparently be dismissed. (This is itself a false fact; Snopes says it is entirely self-funded through advertising revenues.)

    {WHY IS THE ACLU ARGUING FOR SNOPES WHEN OVER HALF THE DRAWN OUT DIATRIBE WAS ABOUT FACEBOOK? WHY IS ACLU EVEN ATTEMPTING TO LABEL CERTAIN SOURCES AS EITHER WORTHY OR NOT WORTHY?}

    This phenomenon has been dubbed “epistemic closure.” {SAY WHAT??} While originally a charge levied at intellectuals at Washington think tanks, it is an apt term for everyday readers of Breitbart and its ilk who close themselves off from alternate sources of information.

    {NEUTRALITY REIGNS AT THE ACLU? I THINK I WILL CANCEL MY MEMBERSHIP.}

    This is not a problem that can be fixed by Facebook; it is a social problem that exists at the current moment in our history. The problems with bogus material on Facebook and elsewhere (and their as-yet-undetermined role in the 2016 election) merely reflect these larger societal ills. Attempting to program those channels to somehow make judgments about and filter out certain material is the wrong approach.

    {THE PROBLEM IS THAT I GOT THIS NOT THROUGH FASCIST BOOK (THANKS LISA HAVEN FOR THAT GREAT REWORD) BUT THROUGH AN EMAIL OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT WASTES TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS (SEEMINGLY) IN SOLICITING FOR MORE DONATIONS FROM PEOPLE THEY TAKE FOR GRANTED (LIKE THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS DONE).}

    Note: I participated in a panel discussion on this issue at the 92nd Street Y in New York City on Tuesday, which can be seen here. {NO THANKS}

    {ANONYMOUS}

  38. > we all have the same brain
    Is this your Dogma ? Unchallengable Truth ?

    Same as fingerprints, no two brains are same. Never.

    Male brain is wired differently than woman brain (different prevalence of inter or intra hemispheric connections), and differences between races are far more than skin-deep, the neural qualities differ same as muscular qualities differ, the proteins are little different… ((that afro-originating have worse school scores is not their fault, the race(competition) is not fair from same starting positions…))

    > we are all equal……..always have been.

    What is “equal”. No two people are equal. We are all different, diverse.

    (It could better be said, that we are all worth same… Probably. But that does not mean equal. “Equal” means replaceable parts, no difference, no added value in anyone. Equal and replaceable could be robots, manufactured serially. Not human beings ! Everyone cannot be a scientist or medic or architect or baker or street-worker or nurse or cook or policeman or merchant or writer or sportsman or statesman. We are all Specialised. The Caste system of ancient India is very natural and right, just the unchangeable inheritance of castes and missing permeability was wrong. Usually cannot a policeman be a good nurse and cannot a baker be a good statesman… And some faculties are more specialised than others…)

    Antoine de St.Exupery writes in Citadelle, that right and just is the Structure, like the Cathedral. Some stones are foundations, pillars, roofs, some are statues. A pillar stone cannot protest, that it is not a statue. And Statue has got no meaning without Pillars. “Equality” is like breaking that Cathedral into individual stones and placing them side by side on the grass. Then they are all equal, and all are meaningless, because the Meaning, the Reason of the Cathedral is in the Structure, in the space between the walls, not in equality of individual stones…

    The Universe heads (according to scientists) towards gray thermal death, when all atoms will have same temperature, all will be homogenous and there will be no motion or transfer of energy, no need for them… This is the ultimate Death of the Universe, all will be Equal, no structure, no tension, no movement. Same is valid for planet Earth, all architecture and civilisation heads to turn into dust grains, all same and all without any reason or meaning, all leveled to the same ground level, all equal. It is our duty and our goal to protect us from degradation to the equality of the dust…

    Anyhow, no part deserves unwarranted suffering more than any other. A Good Structure is built from differing (specialised) parts, but no part suffers from it’s due function. And it is responsibility of all Capable to help alleviate suffering of all Needy. Accepting the Inequality does not mean being content with Suffering of the Poor. The System, where the Poor suffer, is malfunctioning and should be repaired, usually from top down, because the Error is seldom caused by the Poor…

    However, keep doing your good work, you neither are equal to fake propaganda outlets like NYT or WaPo or CNN, those Liars… Enjoy your Difference and strive, so that the Difference is toward the better side…

    Nothing is Equal.

    (Sorry for obstructing here with a philosophical essay…)

    • To P.A.Semi,

      Now you have given us your understanding of what I’ve said.

      How do you know what I’ve really meant?

      Why not, instead of trying to lecturing me about something, that you obviously did not understand how it was meant to be by me, ask me first what I meant by “equal”?

      You could have saved yourself a lot of time. But okay, I’ll try to explain what I really meant, which will also take a lot of time. 🙂

      I hope this will be helpful for you and others to understand what I really meant.

      And at this moment in time this is my truth and my truth only. I do not intend that anybody should change his truth, because of what I say and what I’ve said.

      I see all of this as an exchange of ideas, not as a discussion about who and what is right or wrong.

      You say:

      “Equal” means replaceable parts, no difference, no added value in anyone. Equal and replaceable could be robots, manufactured serially. Not human beings !

      I meant equal in spirit & soul, …. “equal”, … NOT the same.

      In fact, NEVER the same.

      Look up the meaning of “equal” HERE:

      “like in quality, nature, or status”

      … or the meaning of equality HERE

      “the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, and opportunities”

      You wanted to understand “equal” in a very physical sense, but I meant “equal” in a spiritual sense.

      In a very physical sense human beings are not equal, i.e. in status, rights and opportunities, but in a highly spiritual sense we are all equal.

      And, in my opinion (and you may have a totally different view of reality 😉 ), we are all eternal, spiritual beings and the body is nothing but the physical garment of the soul, giving us the opportunity to express ourselves in this physical reality.

      And of course every human being is different, but we are all “equal” in our true nature and we do have the same status, though obviously not in the physical world, which is what you are always referring to.

      Our brains are all made off the same parts. We all have a frontal lobe, a pituitary gland, pineal gland, a limbic system, etc. and yet no brain is identical to another brain, but they are the same in the sense that they all can express the highest level of consciousness (but rarely do, due to the limitations of its owner).

      Humans are all “brain owners”, but rarely are they “brain users”.

      And yes, of course, we all “use” our brain, but it is like driving a 600S Mercedes only in first gear (or should I better say in “neutral”?) all of the time.

      How our brains are wired, starting already in the womb, is what makes us all unique and different. And our brains are all wired differently and therefor they are, of course, all physically different.

      We all have the ability to receive & express consciousness through our brains & our bodies in the physical realm.

      According to neuroscientists we are all connected to consciousness and possess our own conscious awareness.

      In right-handed people, the right-hemisphere of the brain is processing (parallel) 40-60 billion bits per second, whereas the left hemisphere is processing (serial) only 20.000 bits per second (depending on who you ask the numbers may vary a “little”). In left-handed people it is the other way around.

      Your skin color may be white in this lifetime and black in the next one.

      You say:

      “that afro-originating have worse school scores is not their fault, the race(competition) is not fair from same starting positions…”

      What I am talking about here is not about race or jobs, etc. I am talking about a higher level of existence.

      I am talking about who we really are.

      And if you think that he/she is a doctor, architect or whatever, then I say that they are all spiritual beings that have chosen (or were forced) to expressing themselves as a doctor, architect or whatever.

      I suggest to not confuse our briefcase, with who we really are.

      What most of humanity perceives from reality right now is much less than the smallest of dots you can make with a pencil onto Leonardo da Vinci’s Mona Lisa. (And that would still be a compliment.)

      And most humans think, that this tiny range in the electromagnetic spectrum, that their eyes can perceive is all there is, because they can’t see all the rest of it.

      What humans don’t see with their own eyes does not exist to them, yet nobody will deny that radio-waves & radiation do exist.

      Reality is much bigger, than what we are trained to perceive as “reality”.

      So let’s say you would have a healthy “afro-originating” baby and you would be able to teach this child, while growing up, how to consciously access more of those 40-60 billion bits per second, then that child would beat the top ten in chess (at this moment in time: Carlsen, Caruana, Kramnik, So, Vachier-Lagrave, Anand, Nakamura, Karjakin, Aronian, Giri) blindfolded in a simultaneous chess event with ease.

      And for those who do believe that women are in general not as good as men in mathematics, let me tell you that I’ve told my younger sister (must be centuries ago) how to learn math and how to prepare for math tests in order to get good results. Well, she went from being below average and after thinking for many years that she is not good in math to the best mark (and staying up there all of the time) within just a few months and I’ve just explained to her once how to do it and she did it all by herself. All it took was some explanation and the feeling that somebody believes in you.

      Have you ever experienced just a bit of the real power that we all possess, in order to understand that the physical is not who we really are?

      (And no, I have never been smoking weed and have never taken Ayahuasca, etc. and I would not recommend anybody to do so.)

      To think of me, that I would think, that we are all “equal”, in the sense that you’ve understood it before, would mean that you kind of must have thought that I am beyond stupid, or am I wrong?

      If so, then I hope that this is not the case anymore.

      You say:

      However, keep doing your good work, you neither are equal to fake propaganda outlets like NYT or WaPo or CNN, those Liars… Enjoy your Difference and strive, so that the Difference is toward the better side…

      Thank you. I am enjoying “difference” and change.

      The only thing constant in the universe is change.

      You say:

      (Sorry for obstructing here with a philosophical essay…)

      Why be sorry? This is what the comment section is for.

      And with that I wish you all the very best.

      Take care.

      Best regards,
      I.U.

  39. Once I also believed in eternal Spirit in us. But when I’ve learned, that it is complete almost-nothing, without consciousness, without any personality or memory or skills, it’s not worth (almost) anything by itself. It’s like a Seed, but dumb, blind and unconscious.

    What really is worth, is the real Being, the flower that rises from that seed and which withers after death, the hologram field generated by the brain, which is consciousness, compassion, memory, feelings, personality. That is, what is worth, although it is temporary (interim). Once I had a vision of people as a wheat field. Wheat is very similar and paired to substance and history of humans… It is possible that our (people’s) seed corn is similar or same. But the plant that grows up is always different.

    So we are never equal, not even in physical, but in menthal sense. Not in status, not in rights and mainly not in opportunities. Sorry to say, but opportunities are determined by Capacity, which also creates Responsibility to fulfil the given Capacity with something useful. Capacity partially depends on Training, which is inherited after birth from parents or that who raises someone, but it mainly depends on genetic disposition, that is determined by parents, and by the Soul choosing those parents at conception… (which explains, why twins very usually have similar attitudes and capabilities, even if raised in different conditions and by different “parents”. The similarity may be more “deep” than chemical genetics…)

    Your example of black man genius playing simultaneous chess with masters is same real, as white man winning 100m sprint. It’s not completelly impossible. It’s not any reasonably probable though… (Don’t you think, that if it was possible, there would be some, who did it already?) Same as african muscles have some proteins different and work more efficiently and more fast, same eurasian brains have different proteins and work more efficiently and more fast… (should I find a link about the protein differences?) The Capacity and Capabilities are different, and so also the Responsibility to use them right.

    That brains are same, like bodies are same – all we have two hands, two feet, one head. No, this does not make us same. Neither brains are same, they all differ by capacity, by speed, by amount of “wiring”, by quality of “wiring” fibers, by structure of wiring. (But still I do not believe in giga-bits in brain, rather the holographic field is floating-point and continuous in nature, it is not discrete as are computer bits. The picture seen on water surface mirror is not made of pixels, it is continuous.) The field has different capacity and speed and also different content recorded in it… And puting in more neuron “bits” does not enhance the holographic field and vibrations quality much. The possible hyper-capacity of human brain may be just a scientific fairy-tale (while it is possible to train the “vibration” even regardless of quantity of neurons used). — This is however just my idea…

    So although you can give your eternal dumb&blind seed (the Spirit) into african or eurasian Body, their fate will be different, because their body and their neurons are of different substances. (I tried to apologize for higher crimes incidence and lower school scores for all “black” people, apologizing them, that the scores are comparing uncomparable…) It’s like same seed, putted to different clay, makes different grandeur and viridity of the flower.
    I also work as a computer programmer and all my colleagues programmers are men. Women are accountants and relations workers and other professions, but none is inventing logical code, despite fair efforts to get any workforce… In my small country, I know many competing programmers in medical software programming, and there is not even one woman, there are tens of men, possibly hundred. Women are probably not fit for abstract logical invention? Although it is possible to find a man in woman body that could be skilled, it is seldom…
    But same is hard to find a man, who has such level of tele-empathy and compassion. Also women are usually able to think on multiple things simultaneously, usually better then men do.
    It’s not about computing mathematics, it’s about abstract logic vs. feelings and empathy… Man and Woman are created to complement each other to create a Pair, and the Pair is Good. Complementing is not actually meant as replacement of identical parts. You need two opposite hands to clap or to hold the hands…

    What I mean, and what is more important – for a company to work well, it needs a Structure. Accountant cannot work as Programmer (Designer) and Programmer as Accountant, and neither of them has capacity to be a Director, and programmer seldom is suitable to be dealing with customers directly. All their positions are different and all need the other ones. Same is with family, with any other Society. It needs a Structure, the Structure is made from differing Parts, but only their Sum, the Due Cooperation of differing parts has the meaning of a Company. You do not see a Company or a Family. It is not present physically. You can see only individual parts, but that is not, what makes the Complex (the Entirety). Only the invisible Structure and Relations between parts, the Harmony of their Cooperation is a higher-level Being. You do not see a “Family”. You can see Mom, Dad & Kids, the individual parts. But “Family” is a Relation between them, it is a Process that is happening through time, and that cannot be seen on photography (physically, or in single instant). Like a bee-hive is an alive being by itself, also a Nation is alive super-being, and there are more such… Same as Family you cannot see a Nation, which is also a Relation and Process in time between people, but still it is an alive Being of higher order, with it’s Spirit. Nation is a higher (fractal) level of a Family…
    (This concept of invisible beings made of Relations between differing parts is copied from A.de St.Exupery Citadel, an excellent book…)

    But then, for the Abstract Beings made of Relations, that what is above individuals as the super-structures, you need differing parts that correctly cooperate. It never works well with all parts equal and same. But some people are nowadays trying to destroy the structures by removing difference between parts and pretending all are same as dust grains, or as corn grains. But that destroys relations and tensions, which make the higher-level Beings…

    (1Cor 12:13-30 — very imporant text, which writes just about this… “For the body is not one member, but many. If the foot shall say: Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body … If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? … And if they were all one member, where were the body? … … Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.” — do you understand, that Christ (or Egregor or others) is a super-being, constituted of differing individual parts, of their Relation and Process in Time…? This way, Christ is the Church or in the Church, in the wholeness of Society of Believers, in the Process of their Co-Operation… This way, Person may be present in Society long after he is physically passed away, but his Reflections are still alive in the supra-Structure… In the Church (Ecclesia), all Saints and Philosophers are still somehow present, as long as their Heritage (legacy) is Resonating… And if they do not try to overshadow Christ, it is not harmful to retain more such eternal Reflections of Saints in Ecclesia – as an Example for following…)

    So this is, what I have meant, that we are all Specialised, and only the Cooperation creates the virtual Body or Being of a Society…

    From some point of view we may be treated all same. But that erases the Super-Beings. There is no family made of identical members, and erasing Family by equalizing it’s constituents, you loose an important supra-level, and also the Purpose… (Very probably, our Purpose is creating supra-beings of still higher levels from supra-beings of lower levels… And although individual members are interim, their Entirety is much more long-lasting…)

    And so to return – what really is worth, are the higher-level forms. The House is made of bricks, and even if the bricks were all same (initially), their purpose is not being equal (forever). Their purpose is meaningful cooperation to create the space between the walls, and their roles differ.

    And wheat – you may pretend, that only important is the seed at the beginning, and the seed that remains. The plant, the harvest, the bread, whole summer and sun and rustle of leaves in wind are all worthless? The main purpose of the seed is in the plant, in cooperation of all plants creating the harvest…


    Thank you for a space for discussion and also for a dissenting opinion.
    (And sorry, that the text is so long. To speak short, 1Cor12 and Citadel should be sufficient… But it’s mapping on Society and World is not obvious at first glance… I still have to learn to reduce my own texts while preserving the idea…)
    (And Bible – if I just pretended, that BECAUSE 1Cor12 writes so, it must be so, I would be a bigot and in danger of misrepresenting the actual meaning for some different purpose. But here I’ve got to it logically and with insight and I’m just happy to see, that Bible, as I understand it, agrees…)

    • Hi P.A.Semi,

      You say:

      Thank you for a space for discussion and also for a dissenting opinion.

      You are most welcome.

      If I’ll find adequate time & space, I will reply to your email.

      Thank you for commenting.

      All the best.

      I.U.

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